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The Estate Planning Secrets Every Mom Should Know | Lauren Klein | Work Like a Mother Podcast, Episode 54

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Calling all busy moms and powerhouse women! This week on Work Like a Mother, Marina Tolentino welcomes Lauren Klein—attorney, speaker, and founder of Flourish Law Group—for a conversation that’s equal parts inspiring and practical. They’re diving into everything from estate planning (yes, it’s easier than you think!) to thriving in high-pressure careers—all while raising little ones.

Lauren brings 13 years of legal expertise, plus real-life mom grit, to help you understand how to protect your family’s future without the overwhelm. She also shares her journey of building a thriving law firm with her best friend and how she’s empowering women through her free estate planning workshops for single moms.

Expect laughs, aha moments, and a ton of wisdom as Marina and Lauren keep it real about juggling motherhood, career, and everything in between. Whether you’re dreaming of creating generational wealth, starting your own business, or just getting through another chaotic day, this episode will leave you feeling fired up and ready to take on the world.

Hit play and let’s build a life you love, one smart step at a time! 🎧✨

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What are your goals? What kind of life do you want to live? Where do you want to live? And I would say reverse engineer from there. So much of the conflict in relationships is finances. And so when you can find out a win win that both parties are happy, you can absolutely save relationships. Talk to people. What is it like to be pregnant? What is it like to give birth? What's your story? Getting really, really clear on what's important in the season and having no regrets. And then just live with it. Okay. Have a wonderful mom. Today on the her name is Lauren Klein and she is an attorney, a speaker, a life coach. She's the force between. Between. Oh, sorry. The force behind Flourish Law group and the wealthy lawyer squad. Through her groundbreaking program of the law school Success Blueprint, Lauren empowers the next generation to navigate their legal careers with confidence. And she's also done the group. She's got the blueprint launching soon, which is going to open be open to propel new lawyers to successful heights. So basically teaching new lawyers how to build their businesses, how to do it the right way. Super excited for that. And now her motive extends beyond coaching. She's on a heartfelt mission to empower hosting free estate planning workshops for single moms and ensuring no family is left vulnerable. She's a devoted mom to two boys, age 2 and 4. And we are so excited to have you here today, Lauren. So thanks for being here. Thank you so much, Marina. I'm excited to be here. Yeah, you're in that new phase of motherhood where it feels a little bit crazy. So this is really good timing. I feel like to just bring the real, real. But I wanted to talk to you about law. How long have you been in law? I have been practicing law now for 13 years. Wow. Okay. Incredible. I've actually got one of my best friends here. She's just about to graduate from law school this coming summer and she's got a one year old. So she's going through law school, pregnancy and all of it. And I'm like, you go, mama. But such a challenging field to be in. I mean, just changing landscapes and everything that's going on in our country too for entrepreneurs and just big picture, I feel like it's an incredible time to have people like you who are voices for the people too. So for someone who is entering the legal profession or maybe they've been in it, what is kind of a realistic expectation on how to prioritize your mental health and work life balance? Because it's very demanding. How would you answer your Question. Oh, I mean, that's a great first question. So that's something that I obviously am really, really passionate about. And I think that it's a conversation that just isn't had enough. You know, starting in law school, mental health stats get really, really bad. And then moving into law practice, it's not. It's not much better. So I think the biggest things are, you know, making sure that you kind of have an understanding of where you want to go, what are your goals, what kind of life do you want to live? Where do you want to live? And I always say reverse engineer from there. You know, it's so easy when you go into law school to kind of get caught in, okay, this is what everyone else wants to do. Everyone else wants to go to the big law firm or government job or, you know, in some law school, kind of push you down a certain track. Being true to who you want to be and having kind of that autonomy over your life, I think is huge. I'm also a huge fan of morning routine meditation, physical exercise. If you live somewhere where you can get sunshine, you know, like we both do, getting outside, being in nature, even if you're taking like 20 minutes out of your morning, it is incredible. Yeah. How much that will help you along the way. And then just making sure that you prioritize yourself, that you still stay in touch with your friends and family. You know, it gets really hard, especially that first year of law school. It's a little crazy. But remember, you know, it's just one part of the long journey. So don't, don't lose sight of you and who you are. Yeah, absolutely. And I know with other professions it's very much nine to five. I mean, for someone who's not in the legal atmosphere, what is it really like? Well, I mean, it depends. It depends, you know, what industry you're in, what area of mob, what type of firm. But I mean, the reality is, for the 13 years that I practiced, I, you know, I was in big four. So that was like 9 00am To 2am Sometimes, especially busy season. Yeah, crazy, crazy. When I was at the big law firm, you know, sometimes it was 13 hour days. There's a billable hour requirement. And now that I have my own law firm, you know, I'm still busting it, but I'm doing it for myself. And so it feels a lot, a lot better because I'm building it for me. But it, you know, law often equals a lot of hours. It doesn't have to, you know, you can go a Different track. Or you can kind of create your own, you know, path. Yeah. But the reality is, oftentimes you're working a lot. Sure. Yeah, absolutely. And that's where I just feel like having a supportive partner or a support system is crucial in that stage, you know, especially with young kids. How long do you have to be in practice to start your own firm? You can start it from day one. Oh, wow. Okay. So that's. I mean, you really do have a ton of opportunities and direction you can take your career. So you just got to define what it looks like. And if it means we're working less so that we can have the young family or vice versa, and we're going to delay it, tons of potential, that's really good. So part of my job is I'm also a real estate agent. And so I feel like we have a lot in common talking about estate planning, but for the people. And I feel like most millennials and under, to be honest, it's not even on our radar to talk about estate plan thing. We're just not there. We're like, we're healthy, we're fine. Our parents are still around. Even kind of break it down for me, like, why? What are we risking when we put this off? Yeah, I mean, I think some of the biggest myths are I'm not old enough, I don't have enough assets. You know, those are the things we. We see most often. But what we're risking is, you know, and it always depends. It depends on, you know, what your family dynamic is. Are you married? Do you have children, do you have a business? What assets do you have? And not that you don't need estate planning, if you don't have those things, you might need something more simple, and then you build on it. But I always tell people, estate planning is really. It's just an extension of your financial planning. And I think that kind of takes away a lot of that, like, doom and gloom. But the biggest things to be concerned about are, you know, the wrong people receiving your assets. Judge deciding who's going to be guardian for your minor children. If you have minor children, you know, your assets not going to the. The right people. Lack of asset protection and creditor protection and probate, you know, probate, and it depends on what state you're in. But most of the time, probate is a really not fun situation. It's basically if you pass away and you own something in your individual name. Let's say I own a bank account. I have no joint account holders. I never named a Beneficiary when I set it up because the banker forgot to tell me that was important. In order for that bank account to get to either who I've named in a will or if I haven't named anybody, the laws of intestacy, which basically means the state that you reside in comes up with an estate plan for you. In order for that asset to get to those individuals or that individual, you have to hire a lawyer. Typically it could take months, if not years. And it can get very expensive. Yeah. And especially when you're in a season of grief or losing someone too, like you don't want to have to be dealing with that stress and the financial burden of bearing that person and all the things, if those things are not on in place. So absolutely crucial. What are some of the ingredients that go into estate planning for someone who doesn't know? They've never researched this yet. Sure. So let's say, you know, our most typical client walks in the door or hops into a zoom meeting. Two parents, you know, a couple, couple of children, business, home, bank account. Typically they are doing a, and it varies from state to state, but in Florida and many other states, typically they're, they're doing a revocable living trust. So that's a certain type of entity, if you will, where you can put assets in, you can move assets in life, or you can name a beneficiary, let's say on a life insurance policy, you can name that trust. And then the trust is sort of like an agreement. It says, okay, if my spouse survives me, how, here's how he or she receives this asset outright or in a further trust, if my, you know, let's say my spouse and I have both passed and it's our children, if they're under the age of 18, they cannot legally inherit. So you want them to receive assets in the trust, but maybe you want the assets to stay in trust even when they're beyond 18. You know, if they're 23, 25, maybe they're not yet responsible enough to receive a large sum of money or manage that money. But maybe you take it even a step further. You say, even if they're older than 25, I want it to stay in a trust. That's what I have for my boys, stays in trust for their whole life. That way if they get married and they get divorced, there's protection. If they get sued, they become neurosurgeons and they get sued because they're in a high risk profession, there's protection. It also protects from estate Tax. So anything that stays in that trust for my children, they never have to do any estate tax planning. And I'll touch on that Very, very, very high level in the US if you're a US citizen or permanent resident, you can give away or die with right now$13.61 million. So a lot of money. Yeah, but we don't know, you know, one, we don't know what our family's net worth will be down the road and we don't know what the laws will be down the road. So I've already set my boys up for anything that they receive from my husband and I. Yeah, they never have to worry about it as long as they keep it in a trust. Yeah, that's super good. Hey ladies, real quick. If you are looking for a mentor, I just wanted to remind you that I offer mentorship to entrepreneurs. So if you're someone who has a never ending to do list in your spiraling out of control and feel like your business doesn't have a track plan, I want to work with you every single week for a month at a time. It's super simple. But I come from over 10 years of experience doing this myself and now I'm willing to give that information back to people. So I've mentored real estate agents, I've mentored wedding photographers, I've mentored other business owners and they've come from a place of overwhelm mostly and they really just needed clarity and a couple of action steps to move the needle. And we've seen Gigantum leaps and bounds in their business. Like I can't even tell you. So if you're interested and you want. To know what that looks like, I. Want you to go to marinatolentino.com and there's a calendly link there to do a 15 minute discovery call with me just to see if we're a good vibe check to make sure we're on the same page. And I would love to work with you one on one to really boost your business to the next level. Let's dive back in. What does it cost to set up all of the planning and all the paperwork, like ballpark? It depends, you know. Yeah, so I'll tell you, I always. We're super transparent about our fees. So for a couple that exact same scenario, they're coming in for the trust. We're also doing a will naming, you know, guardians for minor children. We're naming power of attorney who can make legal, legal or financial decisions. If I'm not able to do so health care for a couple, we're $5,000 currently for a trust plan. We'll probably increase it a little bit because we provide so much. But different attorneys bill or charge in different ways. Some do hourly, some do flat fee billing like we do. There's a mix. I always tell clients, especially if they're not in Florida or if they want to work with someone maybe closer to where they live. In Florida, we work with people across the state. I say look for someone who one you get along with because this is, you know, not one and done. You're going to want to have someone who you meet with, you know, every year, every couple years, making sure your estate plan still works. Make sure it's someone you like and who respects you, answers your questions, doesn't act like your questions are stupid, because there's no stupid questions. And then ask them, how do you bill what's included? Are you gonna oversee my, you know, signing and everything? What, what will be included in this package? And it sounds like a lot of money, but when you really think about it and you break down that investment, one, if you have a probate, it is significantly more expensive than that. Typically in Florida, it can be based on the percentage of the estate. So we can get really, really pricey. But also it's, it's lifetime protection, it's legacy and it's generational wealth building. And I think it's so, you know, money is just perspective, mindset. And I think when you kind of, you know, get rid of the sticker shock and you think, wow, here's all the benefits and all the things that I, you know, really we all need as adults, it makes a lot more sense. No, absolutely. That's great. And just for most of us, it's like we don't have five grand sitting around, right? So maybe, maybe make it like a two year goal. Okay. By two years from now I'm going to do this thing and then you can just kind of like set it and forget it and it's there. But I think for a lot of us too, like just mentioning the name trust, like they're like, what is a trust? How does it work? Like, I need a new bank account, like all of that. And literally it's just a new entity basically. Right. Like that's how we think of it. And everything just goes into that entity now. So you're writing a check from that account instead of your personal or vice versa. Have you had or do you have any good stories or like experiences of people who have done this and Are, like, so grateful for it. Like, what are some of the wins you've had? Oh, yeah. Well, every time someone finishes, they do their signing ceremony. Last Friday, we had three. I could just see the looks on their faces like, like they can breathe. They're like, I've been thinking about this for how many years and I finally got it done. And knowing that we will be there, we'll let them know if there's changes in the law. We meet with our clients every year. I think those are just like the more general wins, but the biggest wins are if we see a single parent come in. They're like, wow, if something happens to me, I don't have a partner to rely on or I don't want that partner involved. And knowing that they have done everything they can to protect that child is absolutely huge. As a parent, when you're traveling, it's always in the back of your mind like, oh, what if something happens? And that fear never goes away because parenthood, motherhood, fatherhood. But it does really help. It really does. And then I have a really cool story. I was actually talking about this yesterday. I was on a panel talking to a room about divorce. And I was telling. I was telling them I once worked on this matter. It was a postnuptial agreement. So post not is we're married, but now we're doing that prenup planning. But after the fact, they were going to get divorced. The whole plan was divide assets, have everything ready to go after we do the postnup and then file for divorce. But because in that process, they got clear on, okay, who's going to receive what. Let's work through our money stuff. They actually ended up staying married because they worked through all of that. Wow. And the room, like, yesterday, couldn't believe it. They're like, wow. And we had a family law attorney on the panel. And she's like, I've never heard of that before. Yeah, it only happened one time. It was very romantic, apparently. No, but I mean, I mean, so much of the conflict in relationships is finances. And so when you can find out a win win that both parties are happy, you can absolutely save relationships if you just help broaden their perspective. And like, well, actually, you're getting both here. That's so, so good. Just good reminder. And I think what you're explaining about, like, the relief that you feel, it's part of the adulting that we all know we need to do it, but everybody puts it off or says, like, oh, in 10 years, once I have money, then I'M going to do it. Well, like tomorrow wasn't promised and we know that. And so I just feel like it's a big part of building that, like, table of your nights, your roundtable of nights where you've got the lawyer, you've got the cpa, you've got the financial advisor. And of course all these business people have their own incentives. Like your financial planner wants you to invest in all these things and buy whole life and like all these things. But it's like just being a smart consumer too and not just going to one person for advice. I really feel like you need those five to six advisors to help you build wealth and keep it. I'm actually talking to a lady named Julia Myers right after you. And she helps people teach their kids how to inherit wealth without being entitled. And I think that's going to be such a good conversation. Like, okay, so we have this trust now we pass away. How do we teach our kids how to manage the money? That's like such a big conversation. Oh, I would love to meet her. That's actually something really cool in the trust planning. So you can say, you know, my child receives, you know, a certain amount when they start a business for college. So this is if you're not around, of course, yeah, go to college, you know, maybe for a wedding, if you feel like that's something you would want to have the trust pay for, you can. Sometimes we've even done provisions where we say the child can only receive up to whatever salary they've earned in that year. So if they've earned $100,000, that's the amount that they can receive from the trust up to that, you know, maybe they won't receive that as ways to try to keep people motivated, beneficiaries motivated, rather than knowing, hey, I have this, you know, this trust fund, this nest egg. I can go, you know, just chill all day on the couch and not be a productive member of society. So I think those are the parts of the conversations where people, you see the light bulb stop, like, oh, this isn't boring. This isn't dusty. This isn't just something for my grandma. This is like something that is truly part of your financial health. That's, that's when it gets fun. It really does. Yeah. And hopefully like this trust money would go. A second generation and a third generation outlives my kids. It's really like the big. But it's teaching her, building a legacy, responsible. Yeah, absolutely. Well, I wanted to kind of switch gears a little bit into business so you entered business with a friend, a best friend. Tell me how that's been. Like, it has been the best decision or one of the best decisions also marrying my husband, having kids and all that. Back to you. But all that stuff. But we just, you know, we. We are having the greatest time building something the way that we think it should be built. A law firm and a process, because we. We've both been in trust in the States. She's practiced for 10 years in trust in the States, and I have for 13, like I said. So, you know, we've seen a lot of things that we're like, ooh, over the years, we talk shop, we're like, we could do that better or what's going on with this? So it has been a lot of fun, kind of putting our heads together and building it. And I think, you know, I don't know that it's always a good idea to go into business with a friend. So I think my advice would be, if this is something that you are considering, really think about in life with that friend. How do you talk about things? How open are you? How do you kind of resolve conflict, much like a marriage? Like, are your money, you know, stories Very, very different. Are you going to have issues with that? And her and I spent so many years talking about everything under the sun, always very open about our finances and everything. And so when we became not only friends, but business partners, it was very seamless. But I don't think that's just because we have a great friendship that's a part of it. It's because we already knew that we worked together well on those sorts of things and that we were very transparent because the biggest concern is, you know, you don't want to get into a huge fight with your. Your close friend and then, you know, not only lose your business, but also lose your friend, the relationship. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, I'm sorry to interrupt, and I hope you're enjoying this episode of the Work Like a Mother podcast. Real quick. I just want to remind you guys, if you are worried about missing an episode, you don't have to worry anymore because we are creating a weekly email that's going to go out automatically every single time there's a brand new episode. And this email is going to have everything you need to know about this week's featured guests. It's going to have all of the links in their resources that we're going to talk about in this episode so you don't have to go around and fumble through the show notes. But it's going to be served in your inbox every single week. So if you guys want that access, be sure to click below one time in the show notes today, sign up for that email and then you'll never. Have to worry about it in the future. And bonus, if you really love this, we'd love it if you share this with a friend. Give us a review on whatever platform you're listening to and we'll continue to bring new episodes and new information that's going to help you level up your life every single week. So what did you guys do as a partnership to kind of protect yourself? Like, okay, if we're going to break up, how does it go down? What did you do that through that process? Well, you know, we have our operating agreement that kind of lays out, you know, here's what we would do, how we would sell it, how we would value it, but we really haven't delved into it that much other than just legally protecting ourselves. Even if, even if some, you know, one of us passed away, you know, that's something that's always of course on our minds. Even if it wasn't a, you know, some sort of disagreement, if it's just one of us passing. So having that in place, you know, having buy sell agreements and life insurance and things like that. So you're, you know, let's say if I'll kill myself off, let's say I passed away. My husband's not a lawyer nor would, I don't think he would want to run a law firm even if he was. So if I have life insurance, then his, my estate can buy out, you know, that, that interest and Kristen can take over the law firm and Andrew can get that, you know, whatever money that the law firm is valued at that point in time. And I think it's also like just kind of rather than me, like, hey, what's going to happen? We've talked about that a little bit. I think it's more important to have like those check ins, like how's everything going? How are we feeling? Is there anything that isn't working? Let's chat about that. I mean, same, you know, in a marriage, like you can't let things go on too long because then, then you explode and it's not healthy. Yes, yes, no. Those are all great reminders. But I think so many of us, like, we're such visionaries, we kind of like glaze over the beginning process, the foundation. So we might end you start a partnership and then not have all the paperwork ironed out and you're just like assuming that it's done and you didn't really even like cross your T's and check your eyes and then shit does hit the fan, right? Because unfortunately, a lot of businesses fail. We know this. And so it's just really like slowing down before you speed up. So I think absolutely, like getting an actual lawyer talking to a human. Don't just do like the downloadable partner forms. We're not doing that. Yeah, it's so, so good. I mean, we meet with so many business owners and we're like, okay, can you send us your operating agreement or your shareholder agreement? They're like, huh? Yeah. Like, oh, you don't like, like 9 out of 10? 9 out of 10, I would say business owners, they're like that. I don't know what that is. I mean, even me, like. So I've never done a partnership, but I'm starting to get into, like, investment deals where we're gonna like form an LLC per the investment, per the house. Right. And so we do have to have. What happens if we break up? What happens if this deal's a. Where does the money go? Like, all that has to be ironed out. And I've never seen documents like this before in my life. So I'm just learning them now as I'm getting exposed to them. But it's also critical because things go sour sometimes, you know, and even for. Asset protection, you know, not holding things in your individual names and protecting yourself and your family, you know, to the greatest. And the business to the greatest extent possible. Yeah, exactly. I wanted to think so pre kids like four or five years ago. What advice do you have for someone who is going to go through this transition? They're pregnant right now, they're getting ready, but they're still full gun career. What advice do you have for that woman? Oh, my God. How much time do we have? Give me like five minutes, I would say. I mean, for me, when I look back, you know, for. I got pregnant in January of 2020. So when I look back to Lauren In January of 2020, I didn't have a lot of friends who had kids. So I really kind of like, when I went into law school, I went into motherhood, like, very blind. So I think it's finding if you don't have a lot of. I now luckily have a lot of friendship kids through preschool and all of that. And my friends have had children since then. We've all kind of waited, talk to people, be like, what? What is it like to be pregnant? What is it like to give birth. What's your story? You know, I think you need to talk about, even though it can freak you out. Yeah. And how was it, you know, being a mother in a very, you know, the early stages, going back to the office. Did you have a maternity leave? How did that feel? How did you feel? I mean, I will be honest, when I first went back, I felt like my head was like in the clouds. Like I was like, what happened to my brain that was fully functioning four months ago? I was so foggy and just so not myself. And it took a really long time and I didn't know that that was normal. So I think, much like talking about money is important among everyone, but especially women, talking about motherhood and like, what it really is, like, not the Instagram, sugarcoated, you know, it's everything so beautiful. And look how clean my house is. No, the house behind that Instagram camera. It's a disaster because that's. That's how your house is going to look. So I think just talking to people and finding. Finding a community is so important. And then, you know, I mean, the reality is depending on whether you work for yourself or you're in corporate, you know, seeing what you can do as far as parental leave, you know, what, what options, if you work for a company do they offer? What is that going to look like? Is it going to affect your compensation? I mean, I had that experience. I had compensation affected, which threw me for a loop because I was not at all anticipating that. And so I think trying to protect yourself as much as possible, getting the employee handbook saying, okay, what exactly am I entitled to, if anything, I think is really important and cutting yourself slack. I will say becoming a mom has made me a better human, a better lawyer, a better person, just in general. But it also can be very, very challenging as well. Oh, yeah. Physically, mentally, all the things. That's such a good advice. And I think one of the things I didn't think about too, was putting your child in childcare as an infant. Right. So if you are going to go back to work, meaning, like, okay, I'm going back to 68 hours a day, minimum. Because sometimes it can be more even when you go back, Number one, your body hasn't recovered fully yet. It takes about a year for a woman's body to reach, like, somewhat normalcy again. So giving yourself so much time and then being able to say, I'm trusting a stranger to raise my child for this time because I am going to sacrifice. So I think just getting really, really Clear on it so that you're not having to wrestle with the mom guilt. Like, once you decide, you decide and we go all in. Obviously things can change and you're, you're testing the waters and seeing how your family reacts to them. But for a lot of women, I just hear like, I wish I could be stay at home mom. And I never thought I was going to be stay at home mom. And it's because I have, like, natural craving to just be the parent. But you just got to get clear. Otherwise you're going to just be living in like hell the first year trying to wrestle that idea. So getting really, really clear on what's important in the season and having no regrets and then just live with it. Like, okay, if I'm committing to this career, that means I'm going to be the best damn mom and nights and weekends, you know, and then I am going to hire the best person capable to take care of my child. But they become an extension of your family and treating that way not just like the daycare drop off, like, no, this is my family. So that you have trust and you can have that pe. Because I think it's so hard to find childcare. Also the cost of childcare. Nobody talks about the cost of childcare. So expensive. And you're like, oh, It'll be fine. 500amonth. No, let's talk two to three grand a month. Like, that's the reality. So you're right, obviously, like, paycheck might reduce and now costs might go up at the same time. So big lifestyle adjustment in those first couple of years are very, very huge. Yeah. And I didn't anticipate either. Like, my husband was still working full time. He got two weeks off of leave. We were active duty military at the time with our son. And so, okay, two weeks goes by. I'm still bedridden basically at two weeks. And all of a sudden I'm parenting by myself, you know, and so just realizing life is probably not going to be Rosie and Peaches unless you set up those things in advance. Like, don't wait to have the baby and then figure it out. So I learned a lot with the first one and then second one. We were very fortunate to be home. Mine was born January 2020, so. Oh, wow. We were all home. Yeah. But definitely so, so good. Such good advice. Is there anything I missed that you wanted to touch on? No. I mean, I think we talked about a lot. I think it was a really great conversation. I would, I would just add, you know, be really have a lot of grace with yourself, you know, whether it's, damn, I haven't got to my estate planning yet or I have this mom guilt, you know, just, just be easy on yourself. Be loving with yourself. You know, talk to yourself like you would talk to a friend if she were coming to you and saying, I'm going through this because you're doing a great job. If your baby has, your kids have love and they have food and they have people around them who care about them, you're doing an amazing job. So all the other stuff, you know, just let it, just let it go. I know that's easier said than done, but we all just need to love ourselves, especially right now. Absolutely. And finding that community, finding those people in the same season of life is so important so you don't feel so alone. And I'm sure same in the legal space. It's a very male dominated space still. So you've got to find your tribe. You have a little squad, right, Somehow or do you have a community of women that you network with? I do. I'm very, very lucky. Since I started my own law firm, I found so many wonderful communities. But I also created a community called the Wealthy Lawyer Squad specifically for new lawyers and law students to kind of help through that crazy law school experience and those first few years of law school of law practice. We do monthly yoga. We do. I have a whole coaching program for them. And I'm actually coming out with a new course, become a Wealthy lawyer course that's going to be launching in the beginning of 2025. All About Money mindset. All about strategies to build wealth. And I'm so excited. It's my favorite topic in the world. And like we all know money really isn't just about money. It's about what's going on in here. So I'm very, very excited. But I love having that community. It's what I didn't have when I was in law school and for most of the years of law practice. So I'm very, very passionate about it and it's fun to build that and see, you know, where it's all going. Yeah. So good. And I'm sure we'll have all of those links and descriptions in the episode description so they can find you and follow you and sign up. So I end every episode with a fun rapid fire. So what is your Starbucks order? Oh, lately a venti pecan crunch oat milk latte with only two pumps. We don't want it too sweet. Same. Yeah, I'm always like half Sweet. What do you make for dinner? If it's last minute? I don't make dinner. My husband cooks every single night. But last night he made shrimp pasta and it was fantastic. Oh, my gosh, what a dream. You picked a good one. My husband doesn't know how to cook anything except eggs. When I cook, it's me going to the Thai restaurant down the street. Yeah, Love it. What's your favorite department of Target and do you have a favorite designer? Man, you know, I used to love just going to Target and wandering and I feel like I. Not that I couldn't do that, but it's like it's not my favorite thing anymore. So if I'm going there, it's probably to go get like medicine for the kids or like clothes for the kids or. Because if I'm shopping, it's probably just Amazon. That's where I'm like chilling if I'm going to shop. I used to love just like, like wander the whole store. But if I do have time and we're wandering the little jewelry section, they really cute stuff. Yes. I think they have like bubble bar. Is that what it's called? Yeah. Yes. So good. Very cute. Give us a book or a podcast you'd recommend and why. I love. There's so many. But I love the book by Amanda Francis Rich af. She is one of the first life coaches I started following and she was extremely instrumental in me figuring out all my money stuff. A big, big, big influence on everything that I'm doing. I just think she's fantastic and I love watching her became. Become a mom kind of at the same time that I did. It was very helpful for me. So I think that book is amazing. I try to read it every couple months if I can, or listen to it. Yeah, yeah. I was gonna say the audiobook of it is actually probably more entertaining because you get her v the side tangents and so it's really good. That's a good mindset. TikTok or Instagram? Instagram, yeah. What is your Instagram hand? I'm an elder. I'm an elder millennial, so, you know, at lawyer. Lauren Klein. Amazing. Well, thank you so much for your time. This was so good. I really hope to encourage people, especially for our lady lawyers, to find you, connect with you online and just encourage everybody. Get your estate planning tied up with a bow so we can sleep at night and we know our families are protected for the future. So, so important. And we'll be sure to stay in touch. Sounds good. Marina, thank you so, so much. This was fun. Y.