Perfectionism is a Form of Self-Sabotage—Here’s How to Break Free | Chris Janssen | Work Like A Mother, Episode 45

In this inspiring episode of Work Like a Mother, host Marina Tolentino sits down with bestselling author, coach, and mom of three, Chris Janssen, to dive deep into her journey from perfectionism to sobriety. Chris opens up about the pressures of motherhood, addiction, and learning how to show up for the life you truly want, even when it’s hard.

With vulnerability and wisdom, Chris shares her story of overcoming self-sabotage, high-achiever habits, and her struggle with alcohol while raising her kids. Now a coach who empowers others, Chris explains the difference between perfectionism and healthy achievement, and why it’s so important to stay committed to your goals—even when the craving to quit sets in.

Listen in as they explore the concept of serenity, the importance of community, and how to navigate life’s pressures with grace. Whether you’re navigating your own sobriety, perfectionist tendencies, or just looking for guidance on how to "show up" in your own life, this episode is full of actionable advice, real-life stories, and encouragement for women everywhere.

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Be It Till You See It: https://lesleylogan.co/category/podcast/be-it-till-you-see-it/

Living All In: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BHH3Z7MD

Chris Janssen

https://www.chrisjanssencoaching.com/

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To me, coaching is all about what works, not what hasn't worked in the past. And I thought, this is backwards. Amazing way to be vulnerable and transparent in a world that everyone's just sharing highlight reels. You know, to me, showing up is showing up when you don't want to, sticking to your commitments. I had been sober for 14 years, and then in 2021, I thought, you know, I don't think I really need to be sober. I don't think I have a problem with it. It's a learned I bad habit to feel like you have to be an achiever. All right. Today I have a really amazing woman. Her name is Chris Janssen, and we actually met back, I think it was August or July, for the brand builders group accelerator event, which is amazing. And if you guys haven't heard yet, we are. We love brand builders group and everything that they provide for content, content creators and entrepreneurs. But Chris is a mom to three adult children, so she's made it past graduation. We want to be her one day when we grow up. But she's a top performing court coach, counselor, and award winning bestselling author. And she really focuses on helping high achieving perfectionists navigate their performance pressure, overcoming self sabotage, rewriting narratives, and attaching meaning to life and events and circumstances. And she's got a new book coming out, which we're going to talk about very soon. But welcome to the show, Chris. Thanks for having me. Marina. It's so fun to see you again. Yes. So glad we met in Nashville. Yeah. Yeah. And you've lived such a full and amazing life, and obviously one that hasn't been perfect. And so I kind of want to get into that today of, like, look like on the other side. You know, you're been through it and you've raised these children. They're now on their own, independent. So tell me a quick, like, five minute version of your backstory and kind of how you got here. Oh, yeah. So I. We have three kids. Their ages now are 22, 25 and 26. And my husband and I celebrated 29 years of marriage yesterday, actually. So, yeah, October 7. So, yeah, I was, I was. I worked. And then when I had the first one, I was primarily a stay home mom. So I did work. I did do some of the counseling. Coaching wasn't on the scene yet. I have my master's in counseling psychology. And so coaching came on the scene when my kids were getting a little older and I went back to school to get a coaching certificate because I realized, wow, I love this. To me, coaching is all about what works, not what hasn't worked in the past. And I definitely think there's a very big place for counseling and therapy. It's just I was very excited about coaching, so I am. So I went back to school to do that, but they were older at that time. They were in. The youngest was already in high school. And so I have had the opportunity to know, you know, what it's like to be hands on with those little kids with no outside help. When my husband, we lived in Silicon Valley. I'm from Silicon Valley. Before it was Silicon Valley, so I got. I got to watch the tech boom. Um, and so, you know, we. My husband was taking several startup companies public work, all those crazy hours that people in tech work, and that was when the kids were at their tiniest. I thought, this is backwards. We should be. You should. When you need all this energy to be raising these kids would be when you have more, are in more of a financial position to get some help. But I'm so grateful for it. Oh, my gosh. Just. I would not trade that for anything. That was just the most fulfilling. I write about that in the book, too. Like, there's def. I definitely had a lot of those moments, you know, where I've spit up all over me or what. What have you. And I'm thinking, is this what I'm supposed to be doing? Is this the best? And looking back, definitely, yes. I'm so grateful that I stayed home with them. Yeah. But now what I'm doing, so now I coach, and then I just written my second book. So the first book is out. It's called living all in, how to show up for the life you want. And it just has all my favorite coaching tools in it that are really helpful when I'm working with clients. I wanted all of that written down, and I took a chapter from that book and made it into a second book, and that one's called Grace yourself how to show up for the sober life you want. There was one chapter on habits, addictions, and so this second book is about that. Amazing. So you've obviously been through that personally, I'm assuming, to be able to. Yeah, yeah. I'm quick to say I'm not an addiction expert. I used to be addicted to alcohol when the kids were babies, and I got. I went. I got sober in 2007. So the book is really more about sobriety and recovery. You know, I'm not an expert at addiction. I think I'm an expert at sobriety and recovery. And. Yeah, so it is. It is my story, and it's also my coaching tools, so it's still a coaching book. And it's also, you will hear the whole story and how I struggled. And that did start when the kids were little. Yeah. Yeah. And what an amazing way to be vulnerable and transparent in a world that everyone's just sharing highlight reels, you know? And there's sometimes it's very ugly behind the scenes and under the curtain, you know? And so to be able to open it up, it just makes it relatable. And someone might be home in that phase right now. Pick up your book and be like, man, I'm not the only one. Like, like, obviously, they probably put on a ton of guilt and shame during that season and trying to wrestle with it and feeling worthy and all these things. And I guarantee there is moms out there right now who can identify with that. So I'm excited to get that book into their hands. You mentioned a lot. What does it mean to show up for the life that you want? Like, how did you make that transition? What does that really mean to you? To me, showing up is showing up when you don't want to. Because sticking to your commitments. I did use this example in the book. It's like, since we're talking about being moms, if you bring the kid home from the hospital, there's going to be times you wish you could give the kid back or take a vacation. Right. Or whatever. Or just go in the bathroom with the door shut. We commit, though, to raising that kid. That day we had it. So that's the best example I could think of, of sticking to your commitments. And in the book, when I relate it to alcohol or any addiction or habit, I say I give tools for sticking to your commitment over your craving. Because especially for us high achievers, it's easy to want. Like, I actually want to work out in the morning. I want to feel good. I want to eat healthy. So it's not a struggle for me to do those things. Some days it is, though. So it's like, what do you do? We talk. I talk in the book. But what do you do on those dates right there? There's probably might be a lot of people who naturally don't want to partake in their harmful habit. Right. What do you do on the day that you do want to and that those are the days you have to show up. Yeah. Even when you don't want to. And so I give tools for that. That's so good. And I think even just that topic alone could be a whole buck in itself. Right there, you know, because this applies to business, too. A lot of us, like, I'll just say, especially in the real estate industry right now, we are debating giving up because it's been really, really slow year. So it's like, okay, I'm doing everything right, but nothing is working. It's not. We're not the problem. It's just the market is on a little right now, and so there's so much mental debate that you go to every day of, like, should I show up in my business or should I not? Should I, like, totally pivot here or start the side hustle or whatever? Like, it just is totally applicable. So that's super good. Yeah. And riding the wave. I mean, if everybody gave up on parenting during the teenage years, right? So in real estate, so much I do do as a. My other business is property management and investing. So I do understand all of that, and I do understand the trends and how we have to ride the wave through them and. And stick to our guns. Yep, exactly. Hey, ladies, real quick, if you are looking for a mentor, I just wanted to remind you that I offer mentorship to entrepreneurs. So if you're someone who has a never ending to do list and you're spiling out of control and feel like your business doesn't have a track plan, I want to work with you every single week for a month at a time. It's super simple. But I. I come from over ten years of experience doing this myself, and now I'm willing to give that information back to people. So I've mentored real estate agents. I've mentored wedding photographers. I've mentored other business owners, and they've come from a place of overwhelm, mostly. And they really just needed clarity and a couple of action steps to move the needle. And we've seen gigantic leaps and bounds in their business. Like, I can't even tell you. So if you're interested and you want to know what that looks like, I want you to go to marinatolentino.com, and there's a calendly link there to do a 15 minutes discovery call with me just to see if we're a good vibe check to make sure we're on the same page. And I would love to work with you one on one to really boost your business to the next level. Let's dive back in. And now that you're in this adult phase of childhood and just being empty nester, I mean, I'm sure your time allocations have changed a little bit. You have more time to yourself, what does self care look like for you in this season? How do you take care of it? That's so good. You know, I write. I'm probably still learning the answer to that question, to be super honest with you. So the youngest went away to college in 2020, and that was just like a funny year for all of us, right? Yeah. Yeah. So my husband and I became empty nesters in 2020, and we decided to move. I've always. I've lived in California my whole life. In 2020, we decided, hey, let's move to another state. So we move just kind of for fun, a new adventure, and we. We both work from home. I already had my coaching business going, so we moved to Colorado part time, and. Which is beautiful, and I love it, and we don't. And we're not there full time. It's still part time. However, I did not anticipate that. I don't think I processed that empty nesting thing as well as. As I see my peers doing, because I thought, well, I'm a life coach. My husband's very optimistic, very positive. We're both have this mindset. We're very growth oriented. We take challenges and we move through them. We show up, we keep going. So I don't. I just don't think we really sat with it. We just thought, let's move and have more adventures and work harder. And I. I tell a story about that in the book, how, you know, I had been sober for 14 years, and then in 2021, I thought, you know, I don't think I really need to be sober. I don't think I have a problem with it. I think I just was numbing all this pressure that was really difficult in life before, you know, kids. And I don't want that to sound like I drink because I had kids. It was just the pressure of. It was the pressure I put on myself, mostly of being a good mom, of being perfect, of being a good daughter, of handling that family property business well. Right. I put a lot of pressure on myself. So the book is really. I talk a lot about how we. Perfectionism, self sabotage, how we navigate pressure. That's really. And then my. Where that led me was to numb with alcohol. But people can numb with anything, even on their phone. Exactly. Exactly. And so the book will, you know, I'm addressing all of it, but I do use my story of alcohol. So when I became an empty nester. Yeah. I thought, I don't think I'm have a problem with this. I was just numbing, and now I'm out of, out of the woods, I was holding everything together, and now everything I held together is launched, and they're all, you know, like civilized human beings. They're functioning in society. And I thought, I think I can drink socially. And so that was a huge learning curve for me. And everything, it was like as if I forgot everything I'd learned in recovery. And then, but, you know, and people that have the same struggle, it might, would, will identify with this, but immediately I knew, oh, this was a mistake, you know? Yes, I've changed. I've evolved. Alcohol has not, though. It is still the same thing. Yeah. It still affects me the same, and it doesn't affect, I'm not anti alcohol. It doesn't affect my husband that way. There's just some of us it affects different. So I make those that discernment in the book and I tell. So that's what happened to me in 2020 when we became empty nesters. And now I'm, now I'm back. I'm good. I'm, you know, in sobriety, loving my sober community. I'm big on community and not doing it alone. But it also, because of that, my empty nest or processing was a little delayed. So I feel like maybe just a year ago, I started going, wow, okay, here's what that means. And it's, it's just different. I mean, yeah, I'm excited about it because it was a lot of work, and now you launch these humans into the world, and it's. And you do you enjoy the fruits of your labor. It's wonderful. They, they all have significant others. My young, our youngest just got married and to his high school sweetheart, and we just love her. So I really have, you know, more than three kids, and there is all that. There's, you know, also, you got her. I needed to think, what is my third act? What does self care look like now? And for me, it's to still cling to sobriety, to be in my sober community. And then, you know, some of the things didn't change. Like, I just need, there's certain things I need to do for self care every day to function. Like go on workout in the morning, do my prayer and meditation. Those things, I get cranky if I don't do certain things, so those things stay the same. Good. Yeah. And it's an amazing time to be sober right now, if I'm being honest. If we're talking about history and culture and everything, there's so many non alcoholic drinks out there that are cool and hip and, like, have you seen that water brand and like forgetting what it's called, but it looks like heavy, like. Skulls called death something. It's so great. I love it. Yeah. And I love like athletic brewing, their zero alcohol beers, like stuff like that. And it's like ten years ago that didn't exist on the market, you know? And I think America is definitely trying to gravitate towards health oriented. We recognize the situation that the big pharma and big foods put us in. But so much of what you're saying is so important about your sphere, right? The people around you too, even just having come from Italy, everybody smokes. And like, the most beautiful woman would bust out a bait pen and instantly I'm like, really? Like, you're gorgeous. Why are you smoking? You know? But culturally, that's what's normal for them. And I'm so glad in America we have come away from that. Drinking is still lingering. We know it's basically poison for us, but we choose to do it anyways. I think most of us in our thirties start to feel how our bodies process alcohol differently too, anyways. And so you start to grow out of it a little bit, but so good. And I want to go back to the point you made about once you hit empty nest or you kind of like moved all of a sudden and part of it was like a distraction probably of like, well, let's just shift our attention instead of our kids. Now we can focus on us and do more and more. More. Hey, I'm sorry to interrupt, and I hope you're enjoying this episode of the work like a mother podcast real quick. I just want to remind you guys, if you are worried about missing an episode, you don't have to worry anymore because we are creating a weekly email that's going to go out automatically every single time there's a brand new episode. And this email is going to have everything you need to know about this week's featured guests. It's going to have all of the links and the resources that we're going to talk about in this episode so you don't have to go around and fumble through the show notes. But it's be served in your inbox every single week. So if you guys want that access, be sure to click below one time in the show notes today, sign up for that email and then you'll never have to worry about it in the future. And bonus, if you really love this, we'd love it. If you share this with a friend, give us a review on whatever platform you're listening to and we'll continue to bring new episodes and new information that's going to help you level up your life every single week. I've noticed as a high achiever, I was addicted to chaos. And I don't know if you can identify with this, but I always have to feel busy and I cannot. And it took me a long time to figure out how to actually rest and do nothing. And it's such a gift. And as believers, we know, like, the Sabbath is a ten commandment. And how many of us, as crickets, they're actually doing that commandment? It's not an option. It's a commandment to take a whole day of rest. So I've really had to learn. And, like, when I'm feeling those feelings of not being able to rest, like, get down to the root of it, and usually it's insecurity. I'm feeling like I have to do more because I don't feel like enough. I'm feeling like I'm having to, you know, perform and make more money because who am I if I don't achieve, you know, like, really trying to self identify who am I? And I am perfectly fine the way that God made me. But it's all of these lies that we're constantly battling. And so I think once we can recognize that, what is it? It's a learned bad habit to feel like you have to be an achiever. And even identifying as high achievers, sometimes we can think that's like a trophy. But really, I'm like, oh, I've overcome that now, and I'm trying to be not a high achiever, but just enough. Just enough to do what I need to do to reach my ceiling of success. First you have to identify what that ceiling is, and then after that, we can relax and chill a little bit. It's not always more, more, more, more. Now, I will say more, more on the money, but we can never have enough impact. And I think that's where you and I are in a phase of career right now, is we just want to reach more people and help more people. We can never have enough. You know, there's just so many women out there who need the guidance and the encouragement. So I'm so glad you're on the show today just to talk about some of those things, but do you have any feedback on any of that? Oh, all of it. I. Yeah, I agree with all of it. Yes, I know what it's like to be addicted to chaos. I also think that a lot of you know this well, one thing about that. Let's stay on that. When you want to have a Sabbath or rest or have rhythm. Right. I listen to your podcast on balance, and I love that there's a chapter or a section in my book called, you know, not balance. Let's have rhythm instead of balance, because balance can, for me, can look like another form of perfectionism where I need, you know, you have to strike a perfect balance or you're gonna be. You're gonna be off. So when I, in 2007, when I first got sober, and now, remember that at that time, I had three little kids, and I was just running, running, running. That was the first thing I said to my new friends and my mentor, Washington. I'm just bored. I'm. I don't know what to do. And they explain to me that's what serenity is. And serenity is a big word in recovery, we practice the serenity prayer. And so I get to help people with that now that are new in sobriety, that, look, it's not boredom. It's serenity, and it's okay. And I think, you know, I think being a high achiever or a high growth person is, is great. I think being a perfectionist can be dangerous. I think achievers, yeah, we keep going for what we want. A perfectionist will sabotage if we don't get what we want. Right. But part of being a growth oriented achiever is planning, scheduling in the Sabbath and time to rest and margin and rhythm and scheduling time to, if a friend calls and wants to have lunch or coffee, then you have time in your schedule. Like, leave the time. So it's already there. So. Yeah, that's my feedback on that. I love it. Yeah. What you said about that positive margin is everything. So many of us, because we're achieving, achieving, striving, we have no space in our schedule for ourselves. It's just like, more and more, more book, book, book. And it's like, hold on, can we breathe and leave our desk for lunch for a second and then eat without a screen or somebody else talking to us? It's just a lost art of quiet and slowness that I think we should totally bring back and make cool again because it's how humans have done it forever, and only the last 20 years has really changed. Let's do it. I'll do. I'll be on a mission with you. It's just craziness. Maybe we should do, like a slowdown challenge or something. I don't know. I love that. Yeah. There's, there are some instagram accounts that I've found that are dedicated to that. Yeah, that's the mission. The mission slowing down and I. Yeah. So good. That would be a good one for the holidays, actually, if you just did a 30 day one, the holidays typically get a little bit crazy. I want to kind of pivot into your journey as an author. So a lot of the women here are entrepreneurs listening in. Maybe they are multi hyphenate like us, where they do multiple things. They know they have a book in them. Like, that's me, for example. I know I have a book in me, but I don't know when I'm supposed to write it, and I don't really know how it's all going to evolve. The time capacity that it takes, et cetera. What has it. What does it really take to be an author in 2024? Can you kind of shed some light on that? Well, actually writing your manuscripts less, you know, I've heard it's a third of the work. I would say it's even less than that for me. And everybody's different for me. I love writing. I have since I was little. So that's the fun part. I'm even a nerd that loves editing. Like, I love collaborating with the editor and tweaking little hyphens and things. That's fun. Some people don't like that, so kind of know what you like because you have to do all of it. An author has to do all of it. You don't just get to do the fun part. So after you write the book, you're going to have to sell the book and market the book and find a team to help you do that. Yeah. So, yeah, I think that the actual nitty gritty of writing the book is, you know, there's all kinds of programs or people that can help with that right now. Brand builders is one of them. It's really good. They have a program called captivating content. It's super helpful because it's good to have an outline and know what you want. My personal way of doing it is to know, well, 1st first and foremost, know who you're writing. To know exactly who. Like if you were talking to one person, that's your reader, and have that person in mind the whole time you're writing. And then I like to put all the chapters. Here's. Here's all the chapters. And then I go back and make that my outline. Yep. And then I go back and fill those in. What amount of financial investment does it take to make a book that can you do it for super cheap? Or like, what's an average budget that you feel like someone is realistically should plan for? I think realistically a low budget. If you're, if, if you're going to self publish and even, even if you did get a traditional publisher and it's your first book, you're going to want to invest in a good editor in order to get that book looked at. So, I mean, I would say the low end is 30,000. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's a good benchmark for someone to kind of put mentally is like, okay, let's start stashing away so that I can take, and that's probably not even accounting for the time out from your regular day to day business. That's like a separate budget. So you've got to have time capacity as well as financial capacity to take on doing a book, which is interesting. Yeah, that's right. And I know so much of it is building a platform, building an audience. Right. You've got to have people to sell the book to. So what are some of the parts of the process you didn't anticipate or that you wish more people understood? Right. I didn't. Well, the first one is where I learned all those things I didn't understand because the first one I self published and I'm super happy with it. I wouldn't change anything because that's how I learned. I had a wonderful editor. I became a much better writer by writing that book with her. I mean, I had a manuscript when I started working with her, but we rewrote that manuscript together for a year. Wow. So, and this second one, I really just wrote it. And there was, there wasn't as much developmental edit that needed to be done after because I had learned so much from that first editor. So can you remind me of the question? Yeah. Parts of the process you didn't anticipate or you wish more people understood? Okay. I did what I didn't anticipate and I wish more people understood is that to, before you launch the book, you want to sell pre orders. Right. And so if you want to make some lists, it would be good to be able to launch the book. And on launch day say, hey, you know, I came out as number one on Amazon the day it launched, or, and there's all kinds of ways, I mean, really, bestseller lists have a lot to do with the algorithms and these numbers then they do how good your book is, unfortunately. So I still think people should write really quality books because if I'm going to buy it, I would, you know, hope that they had a good editor and that it's worth my time. But there are some not very good quality books that are making bestseller lists. So. So if you partner with a team that understands that, brand builders understands that, there's a lot of, a lot of teams that understand that. So they can, there's certain things you can do. You can run promos. Like if you're just self publishing, you're probably going to be on Amazon. And so you'll want to run some ads so that you're on the Amazon bestseller list before you launch. Like on, on launch days. Yeah. If you work with a publisher, either a hybrid publisher or a traditional publisher, you will, you don't have to only publish on Amazon or through certain things, you can have better distribution. So if every single, like right now I have a publisher, so. But if every single person pre ordered my book on Amazon, I won't make those best seller lists. It needs to be a variety of target, barnes and noble. So. And so it pay, it. It does pay to have a publisher who has a great distributor. Like my distributor is Simon and Schuster. So that means my books can, there's many, there's many more places my book can be distributed and in brick and mortar stores than if I self, then when I self published the first one. Sure. Yeah. That's interesting. And even just listening to the accelerator event that we went to, it's like you hear all the behind the scenes and it's like, actually, it only takes x amount of speaking gigs to sell x amount of books. And you're like, wait, you can be like, on the bestseller list from just speaking? It's kind of crazy. Or reverse engineer. If you want to raise your speaking prices, do the book first. And it's just so much behind the curtain that you don't hear as a everyday entrepreneur. And that's why it's so important to be in rooms with people who have done it before and are doing what. You want to do. I'm just like a curious cat when it comes to all of that because it's like the next level of growth in business. So I love getting to see you go through it and the success that you're having. It's so fun. Well, and someone like you, who has an audience, you have, you have your newsletter, you have people subscribing. You are already serving a group of people. So when you write a book, you will get to tell those people, I wrote a book, and there are, they will want to buy your book. And then if you're speaking, you can be selling that book. So if you sell those as pre orders before the book launches, you'll make some lists. I'm a little bit of a unique situation because I'm truly an author for, I'm a writer. That's what I like to do. I'm an author first, and now I wrote the book, and now I'm trying to build the platform. Yeah. But that's okay, because honestly, the way that the Internet is working right now, authenticity matters more than numbers. And you're going to connect with certain people in an instant, you know, which I do kind of want to go into. The next question I have is like, okay, if I want to get this book out, this grace yourself book. And I know a couple of women in my life that are battling with sobriety or even just any kind of addiction. How do you hand this book out to someone without feeling, like, judgmental or like, I know you have this problem, so here's the answer for you. Right. You need this. How do you do that? Well, you can always say what it meant to you. You could say, hey, I, you know, this, this book help really helped me look at my maybe stay away from the alcohol thing, if that's, you know, stay away from telling people. Yeah. As a coach, we don't tell people what to do. We ask questions. Right. We want, always want people to come up with their own solutions. So I would just stick to me. This book made an impact. I was. I realized I was having some perfectionistic thinking and share how it helped you. Yeah. And just say, yeah. Wanted to pass it on in case it could be helpful. Yeah. That's great. I love that. So after everyone's listening to this episode today, what's one thing you want a woman to do today? What's the action step? Pre order grace yourself. So you can do that. You can go to. My website is chrisjansoncoaching.com. i always keep that updated with where to connect with me and how to. You can actually buy the book right on there. There's also graceyourselfbook.com is where you can go. You can buy one book, you can buy many books. And the fun thing is we have, because I'm in the pre order phase and I would love to sell pre orders so that we can get the word, spread the message and the impact, really. So in order to do that, I've come up with some bonuses. So depending if you buy it, you can buy three books, ten books, 30 books, 50 books, and that way I have bonuses like, I made a workbook. You could get in my grace yourself community, which is not another online sober group. That is really a place I feel like we need, where people can come in. It's anonymous. And I can help get you plugged into a community that will help you. Some people don't know how to do that. I didn't know how to do that in 2007, so I wanted to have that for people. So even buying one book, you'll have access to that. You'll have access to my masterclass if you buy more than one. There's a. I can do a workshop for your group. I can host your book club with the workbook that I wrote for a book club. And then there is even a package where you can get one on one coaching with me. Amazing. Yeah. Okay, so your site has it all. Say your site one more time. So the site's chrisjansoncoaching.com and where you can read about all those bundles. I just said all those bonuses is grace yourself book.com. Amazing. Okay. We'll have all of that in the show notes so you don't have to go digging around looking for it. And every episode we wrap up with a fun rapid fire. So get ready. What's your Starbucks order? Oh, it's a. It's a triple tall almond milk latte. Kid's temp. Kids temp. I love it. I have such a wimp about the hot drinks. I think that's the first one I've had. Say, kids, step. That's awesome. What do you make for dinner if it's last minute? Baked potato bar. Ooh, that's a good one. I haven't thought of that. That's so easy. Yeah. Well, you can microwave the potato first because it needs to be quick and then put it in the oven to crisp it up. I'm going to try that. That's awesome. What's your favorite? Go to department of target. And do you have a favorite designer there? Well, my favorite designer is in the household department. That's my favorite department. So it's threshold. Yep. Absolutely. Love it. And then name a book or a podcast you'd recommend to the show. Obviously, we've got your books, but do you have any other ones? Oh, I just. I love Leslie Logan. Another bbjer. I was just a guest on her podcast. It's called be it till you see it. And it's about overcoming self doubt and having self belief. She's a Pilates instructor and her podcast is awesome. The guests have all kinds of gold nuggets to share with the audience. I haven't heard of her. I'll look her up. That's awesome. TikTok or Instagram? Instagram. Okay. And where can people find you online? Most my Instagram's Chris three. Janssen. Okay. And LinkedIn is. Chris Janssen coaching Facebook. Chris Janssen coaching. Amazing. Well, thank you so much for your time today. I really just hope this inspires people to take action and to also just be that little light in your circle of people again. It just takes one conversation or one, like hearing a grumble from a friend about their aunt or their mom or something to be able to help. Honestly, that's the whole point. So I would love that people can share this mission, share the message, and just get your book out to people who need it, because that's what it's for. Thank you, Chris. I really appreciate you. Thanks, Marina. It was fun. Thanks for having me. Bye.